tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post2765427586115052398..comments2023-09-11T08:30:08.843-07:00Comments on Life Training Institute Blog: With Friends Like These [SK]SKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01905606527143286458noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-10961959864814690522008-11-21T06:54:00.000-08:002008-11-21T06:54:00.000-08:00Ken,Thanks for your comment. I agree we should no...Ken,<BR/>Thanks for your comment. I agree we should not berate people personally, but we should go after the arguments of those who claim to be on our side, but who, in fact, advance ideas 180 degrees opposite our own principles.<BR/><BR/>I stick by my claim that these lib "pro-liifers" are not our friends. The want us to overlook Obama's sworn support for an absolute evil (elective abortion) in hopes that he'll help us avoid a contingent one (war). That's horrible moral reasoning and extremely dangerous to our cause.SKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01905606527143286458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-21628542479943340872008-11-21T06:38:00.000-08:002008-11-21T06:38:00.000-08:00As a true Pro-lifer--(anti-abortion, anti-death pe...As a true Pro-lifer--(anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti embryonic stem cell research) not to be confused with many who call themselves Pro-life but who support increased use of the death penalty regardless of how much the Church opposes it or how much it is used in a discriminatory manner--and a lifelong Catholic, I have found myself pondering the people I am associated with. The same people I go to Mass with have displayed at times behavior that is so unChristian, that I have been ashamed to be associated with them in any way.<BR/><BR/>Just because we don't all agree on the best way to bring about an end to abortion, DOES NOT mean you can belittle, berate, or disparage your 'enemy'. In truth, the solution to the issue is likely some hybrid of both approaches. If those who support only tactics for the banning of abortion hope to have any chance at success, they had better start working with those who favor using tactics to reduce numbers of abortion. Both sides have the same end goal, just different paths. We are One Body of Christ. Let's start acting like it.kwbinmdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01110430015722799621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-10990418060124550292008-11-19T07:09:00.000-08:002008-11-19T07:09:00.000-08:00Chris,Good questions. Thank you.These so-called p...Chris,<BR/>Good questions. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>These so-called pro-lifers who endorsed Obama are not wayward sheep, they are mostly liberals who wanted a Democratic sweep and who used silly arguments about abortion to help bring it about. They are not our friends and never will be. Thus, I care not a straw about wasting time reconverting them.<BR/><BR/>As for those people they might influence, I don't think the numbers are all that impressive. The groups cited in the WP piece are all established liberal groups who've been around for a long time. Hence, their support for lib candidates is really nothing newsworthy--unless, of course, you're the mainstream media eager to declare the abortion debate over.<BR/><BR/>Dream on, Libs.<BR/><BR/>When Focus on the Family, The Family Research Council, and National Right to Life throw in the towel on legal protections for unborn humans, then we'll have a real news story.<BR/><BR/>Thankfully, Hell will freeze over before that happens.SKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01905606527143286458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-33443248018318056702008-11-19T04:11:00.000-08:002008-11-19T04:11:00.000-08:00Scott - what you're pointing out from a strategic ...Scott - what you're pointing out from a strategic point of view is a <I>doppelganger</I> - a pro-life movement that shadows the real thing. Pretty much the way the Submergent church has grown to shadow the real Body of Christ.<BR/><BR/>The MSM tends to use the doppelganger as the "authority" on the issue, which over the long haul replaces the true authority in the public eye.<BR/><BR/>Doppelganger organizations exploit immature discernment to draw away potential resources, mostly the young, energetic crowd from the actual effort.<BR/><BR/>Wolves in sheep's clothing, leading lambs astray for the slaughter.<BR/><BR/>The question I pose to you is: How do we, as a pro-life cause, counter such efforts?<BR/><BR/>How do we recapture lambs that are being lead away?<BR/><BR/>I'm not asking for the obvious, because you definitely make the pro-life case in the debate arena. <BR/><BR/>How do we scale the debate up in terms of organizational size and voice in order to win or restore those individuals who haven't discerned the critical understanding of life?<BR/><BR/>Debates only work when the voice of reason is loud enough to be heard.Chris Arsenaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773858656968422745noreply@blogger.com