tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post6008659380819330999..comments2023-09-11T08:30:08.843-07:00Comments on Life Training Institute Blog: In Defense of Steve Wagner [SK]SKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01905606527143286458noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-58680897739927734852008-02-01T02:03:00.000-08:002008-02-01T02:03:00.000-08:00Jill, we actually do have areas of common ground e...Jill, we actually do have areas of common ground even with many abortion-lobby leaders. Ron Fitzsimmons, head of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, for example, agrees with us that the abortion lobby needs to stop lying about late abortions -- how often they're done and the reasons therefor. It's a tiny area, but there it is. From there you might be able to build, "We can work together to see to it that women are given accurate and pertinent information" -- something Charlotte Taft would support. And you move from there.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-90797013449321302452008-01-31T14:27:00.000-08:002008-01-31T14:27:00.000-08:00Scott, I checked, and we don't have dueling worksh...Scott, I checked, and we don't have dueling workshops: http://speakoutillinois.org/SpeakOut2008.pdf<BR/><BR/>Whew.<BR/><BR/>I'm looking forward to seeing you. I honestly didn't catch the title of Stephen's book when I read his post. His words taken out of context meant something to me that were obviously not intended. I'll apologize if so.<BR/><BR/>I need a vacation, which I'll be taking beginning Sunday.<BR/><BR/>JillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-74928811057595542902008-01-31T13:48:00.000-08:002008-01-31T13:48:00.000-08:00Jill,Compromising with the other side on a matter ...Jill,<BR/>Compromising with the other side on a matter of principle is precisely what Steve says we should not do--hence, the title of his book, "Common Ground Without Compromise."<BR/><BR/>As for your blog workshop, I'll try, but I think I'm speaking at the same conference you are. I hope others attend your talk in droves--your blog is stellar!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-59855598076529762112008-01-31T13:39:00.002-08:002008-01-31T13:39:00.002-08:00Scott,Strossen agreed to debate you again?Wow - I'...Scott,<BR/>Strossen agreed to debate you again?<BR/><BR/>Wow - I'm surprised. I wonder if she'll be a little better prepared than at the Grand Valley event.Jivin Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06437784306957426634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-39641654702670460552008-01-31T13:37:00.000-08:002008-01-31T13:37:00.000-08:00Scott, come to my blog workshop Saturday and I'll ...Scott, come to my blog workshop Saturday and I'll help you find common ground with skulbloggery.<BR/><BR/>I think our understanding of terminology is different. You will agree on a starting point with the ACLUer but then explain how she's wrong. And I'm sure you'll clean her clock, albeit graciously. That's fine, great.<BR/><BR/>My interpretation of what Steve meant by "finding common ground" was to seek to find areas of compromise. <BR/><BR/>Further, the leaders of the abortion movement are the equivalent to any of the most evil, ruthless killers in history. <BR/><BR/>But perhaps I'm merely a cynic.<BR/><BR/>JillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-75611923381511868082008-01-31T12:01:00.000-08:002008-01-31T12:01:00.000-08:00Sorry, guys, that last comment was me, Scott Kluse...Sorry, guys, that last comment was me, Scott Klusendorf. I failed to sign-in correctly, thus the "anonymous" signature.<BR/><BR/>One of these days I'll find common ground with my blogger software.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-86993771825202076722008-01-31T11:54:00.000-08:002008-01-31T11:54:00.000-08:00Jill,Why should it matter that someone is a leader...Jill,<BR/>Why should it matter that someone is a leader in the abortion industry? Wouldn't finding common ground on a logical starting point (which is what Steve is advocating) apply even if you are debating Francis Kissling? Otherwise, you are just talking past each other. <BR/><BR/>Tonight I'm debating Nadine Strossen, President of the ACLU, at Malone College (Canton, OH). My approach to her will be gracious, yet firm. I will look to affirm what we both agree on--namely, that humans have certain natural rights--then show how her own views undermine human equality in general. <BR/><BR/>In short, our tactics shouldn't change just because our opponents are leaders in the abortion-choice camp. Shouldn't we be concerned about giving them something to think about as well? That won't happen if we state up front, and without good reason, that there's no common ground to be had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-79392261882200956082008-01-31T11:33:00.000-08:002008-01-31T11:33:00.000-08:00SK, Josh, Steve:My follow-up paragraph to the one ...SK, Josh, Steve:<BR/><BR/>My follow-up paragraph to the one quoted stated:<BR/><BR/>"I do stand ready to dialogue with those in the mushy middle who don't understand the abortion cartel's agenda. But we will never have a meeting of the minds on abortion."<BR/><BR/>That would include those on college campuses and many I encounter on my blog.<BR/><BR/>So I think we all agree. But Steve's comment was in response to Michelman/Kissling: queenpins in the abortion movement who derive power and money from it. Different animals, not possible with whom to meet minds.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>Jill StanekAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-14641636798378616092008-01-31T08:58:00.000-08:002008-01-31T08:58:00.000-08:00I 100% agree with Scott. I was shocked when I saw ...I 100% agree with Scott. I was shocked when I saw that article, because I'm generally a fan of Jill's writing, and as a person. But I agree that she must misunderstand what Steve means by finding common ground with the pro-abortion-choice side. Every time I engage the other side, I try to find common ground and to come across as a reasonable clear-thinking person, instead of the most radical caricature of a pro-life activist I can think of. Unfortunately, the latter is what most pro-choicers expect to be met with, because those are the ones they hear about at their rallies, or because they watch their silly youtube videos, etc. When instead they're met up with someone that does NOT hate them, does NOT want to scream or preach at them, they tend to be pleasantly surprised, and an effective dialogue follows. Steve's book is a must-read for every pro-lifer that wants to sharpen his or her tools for effective communication with people that don't agree with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com