tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post4361108047224449586..comments2023-09-11T08:30:08.843-07:00Comments on Life Training Institute Blog: Freedom means what they say it means, Mr. Tebow [Jay]SKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01905606527143286458noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-44820083472519678352010-01-29T07:41:03.983-08:002010-01-29T07:41:03.983-08:00I think this situation is a great example of what ...I think this situation is a great example of what you guys were discussing the "cool-cast". We need more celebrities to speak out in public, and show our culture that it is cool (or at least OK) to be Pro-Life. As you guys discussed, this will at least soften the response to our message, and give us the opportunity to engage and present the Truth!<br /><br />Thanks for all you do...I love the podcasts...Michael Martellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12615041217780854359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-90449471188479987802010-01-27T07:01:19.095-08:002010-01-27T07:01:19.095-08:00Thanks for "tackling" this issue. My blo...Thanks for "tackling" this issue. My blood was boiling too much for me to articulate a response to NOW's insane dribble. At least there's a dialogue on the topic.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17615191412456629220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-6625741483331007222010-01-27T02:35:16.578-08:002010-01-27T02:35:16.578-08:00Excellent post!
I think the reason that the "...Excellent post!<br /><br />I think the reason that the "life with potential" argument derails the so-called "womens groups" is that they would have us assume that every aborted "fetus" would be an unwanted drain on society. The idea that this baby could grow up to be a real person with a real life story drives them crazy, because it proves the point that they are indeed killing a human being.<br /><br />I'm not saying that we ought not speak about the value of all human life, regardless of "quality". However, attaching the pro-life message to a famous person whom many can identify with is what is making these people angry enough to say the ridiculous things they are saying now. It's easy to justify "terminating an unwanted mass of cells". But, kill Mr. Tebow? How do you justify that?<br /><br />Thanks for the insight. Linking to this on Facebook.<br /><br />:)Tiana<br />http://godmadehomegrown.blogspot.comTianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01126848166358162075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-43771513345203763462010-01-26T22:36:39.698-08:002010-01-26T22:36:39.698-08:00"As a Georgia fan it is painful for me that G...<i>"As a Georgia fan it is painful for me that God gave Tebow to Florida"</i> Well said sir. It must be difficult for you to so openly praise a Gator.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13886208909955953664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-81976340851742019992010-01-26T21:17:29.243-08:002010-01-26T21:17:29.243-08:00JW,
CBS released a statement today that echoed yo...JW,<br /><br />CBS released a statement today that echoed your point. Their response to the complaints was that there was still commercial time open for purchase if those complaining wanted to submit an alternative view. Gotta love the honesty. You pay too, and we will show your commercial as well.Jay Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11298001988620531769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-2608889930365137252010-01-26T20:31:31.942-08:002010-01-26T20:31:31.942-08:00we can show ads with half naked women, comical bee...we can show ads with half naked women, comical beer drinking, and knowing that children are watching this game too! They paid for the time slot and they can say what they want according to government regulations. There is no law being broke here. If they want to say something fork over the money and do it. They need to stop whining and except the fact that they have a point of view. SO while everyone is waiting for the next half naked girl or frogs that says beer names, remember all is fair as long as everyone follows the rules. I can't wait to see the ad.jwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-80249053397554512092010-01-26T20:02:58.315-08:002010-01-26T20:02:58.315-08:00Hey Josh,
I just went and watched the CatholicVote...Hey Josh,<br />I just went and watched the CatholicVote.org videos (all 3) and listened to your podcast discussion about the Obama ad. I completely agree with your position -- especially when the very title of the ad hammers the "potential" argument. That said though, I also agree that the ad was better than nothing AND (as you both agreed) that, given the chance, we could and should develop a better ad that makes the moral argument clearer.<br /><br />As I said earlier, I really don't know what the angle is on the Tebow ad this year but from what I've heard it sounds like it will do just that. Let's hope. And let's hope the thing gets played.<br /><br />Finally, I have to assume that "the great Bob Perry" reference was offered with your tongue FIRMLY planted in your cheek. Please ... :-)<br /><br />I am pretty new to this effort and have a LOT to learn but I thank God that there are thoughtful, articulate, young folks out there like you guys to make points like you did in the podcast episode you just referred me to. It is a treat to hear and I look forward to honing my own arguments by listening to you more in the future.<br /><br />Thanks ...Av8torbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052262247710521065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-5778428035365751842010-01-26T16:18:43.500-08:002010-01-26T16:18:43.500-08:00Bob, I think you're right on target on the opp...Bob, I think you're right on target on the opponents of this ad. <br /><br />I didn't know as much about Mrs. Tebow's story, and that sounds like a wonderful story to tell through an ad like this. <br /><br />Did you have any contrary thoughts to the pro-life Superbowl ad that almost aired last year, by CatholicVote.org? That's one that I personally thought hit too hard on the potential of born human beings, albeit it was effective emotionally. I'm open to being wrong though, especially if the Great Bob Perry disagrees! Thoughts?<br /><br />(This is something we debated in what turned out to be <a href="http://blog.prolifepodcast.net/2009/06/05/58-howard-stern-show-doesnt-like-usdebating-the-banned-superbowl-ad-by-catholicvoteorg.aspx" rel="nofollow">one of our most popular podcast episodes we ever recorded</a>, I think because for once, there was some disagreement among the members of the show.)Josh Brahmhttp://prolifepodcast.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-46061810444339334942010-01-26T13:31:40.568-08:002010-01-26T13:31:40.568-08:00You make a good point but I think I disagree, Josh...You make a good point but I think I disagree, Josh. I have not seen the ad yet either but, from what I have read about it, it seems to make the case that Tim Tebow's mother was at risk of dying if she carried him to term. She knew that but made the decision to continue her pregnancy <i>precisely</i> because she held the intrinsic value of her unborn son's life as being just as (more?) valuable than her own.<br /><br />The fact that Tim Tebow became what he did offers an emotional appeal, no doubt. But I do not think that is the core message behind the ad. I may be wrong, but that's how I take it. I guess we'll have to wait and see the thing before we can make a final judgment.<br /><br />All that said, the empty, self-refuting, hypocritical objections offered by the ad's opponents are amazing to behold. And I certainly don't think those who object to the ad are doing so because they are trying to exploit a flaw in the pro-life argument (between instrumental and intrinsic worth). They just know how effective the ad will be ... and they HATE it for that reason alone.Av8torbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052262247710521065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-51084605315920548472010-01-26T12:09:07.815-08:002010-01-26T12:09:07.815-08:00Good question, Josh.Good question, Josh.Kyl Schalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954965854308545599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-91316607604982349022010-01-26T11:55:37.575-08:002010-01-26T11:55:37.575-08:00Mr.Doyel,
Feb. 7th is the day I was born. I thi...Mr.Doyel, <br /><br />Feb. 7th is the day I was born. I think it is a very appropriate day to discuss a topic like this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-85686120381686619152010-01-26T11:04:59.016-08:002010-01-26T11:04:59.016-08:00Thanks for sharing the concern that some women hav...Thanks for sharing the concern that some women have over this. I'm sure it's not the last we'll here from them. I added a link to this on my site.Monte Harmshttp://www.standforlife.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-84033242186592546592010-01-26T09:51:43.894-08:002010-01-26T09:51:43.894-08:00Great post, Jay. I've got a follow question fo...Great post, Jay. I've got a follow question for you and anyone else that has an opinion. <br /><br />I haven't been able to find video yet of the ad, but it sounds like it implies that life is valuable because Mr. Tebow could have been aborted, meaning we're falling on the instrumental side of value, not the intrinsic side. Do you think this is a good thing to focus on in a TV ad? <br /><br />Obviously it doesn't make as strong of a logical argument as focusing on intrinsic value, but I also understand the problems of fitting an airtight argument in a 30-second ad as well. This definitely has emotional appeal, so does that make it okay to focus on instrumental value just this once? Or would you encourage future pro-life ad creators to come up with a better message?Josh Brahmhttp://prolifepodcast.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-80981448685952847582010-01-26T07:52:27.038-08:002010-01-26T07:52:27.038-08:00I am so excited for this add to go on the air! Its...I am so excited for this add to go on the air! Its awesome!Meghannoreply@blogger.com