tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post4749248299049425102..comments2023-09-11T08:30:08.843-07:00Comments on Life Training Institute Blog: Find Something Accurate, I Dare You. [Jay]SKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01905606527143286458noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-84999423300380415172007-06-19T10:46:00.000-07:002007-06-19T10:46:00.000-07:00Since when is "moral authority due to suffering re...Since when is "moral authority due to suffering relative" a valid form of argumentation? For that matter, who *doesn't* have a loved one who has suffered from some form of cancer/neurological/degenerative disease?<BR/><BR/>And by the way, to commenter Lori V. - I have already used the analogy between the moral relativism/rationalization of embryo-destructive research and the Nazi treatment of Jews. Apparently, most liberals cannot grasp the subtle, concise nature of the analogy.<BR/><BR/>I could say much more; perhaps if the baby sleeps enough to let me draft a blog post, I'll add more later.chipbennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14595891619752903883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-60326322216789555472007-06-19T08:04:00.000-07:002007-06-19T08:04:00.000-07:00Anon,Of all the words to typo. Ah well. Thanks f...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Of all the words to typo. Ah well. Thanks for the heads up and I will correct it.<BR/><BR/>JayJay Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11298001988620531769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-48617634366932505922007-06-19T06:23:00.000-07:002007-06-19T06:23:00.000-07:00Jay,You misspelled inaccurate in the first paragra...Jay,<BR/><BR/>You misspelled inaccurate in the first paragraph. You might want to correct it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-11456327760322842102007-06-19T06:17:00.000-07:002007-06-19T06:17:00.000-07:00Jay,Sadly, the information in this opinion piece i...Jay,<BR/>Sadly, the information in this opinion piece is more accurate than "news" story about stem cell research from the major newspapers in the Detroit area. From those papers you'd often come away thinking the federal government provides no funds for embryonic stem cell research and that embryonic stem cell research is banned in Michigan. <BR/><BR/>I particularly like the term "research embryos" and I'm not sure I've heard that one before. <BR/><BR/>It's like they can just put whatever adjective they'd like before the word embryo and then the tiny human being only has value as a disposable research material. <BR/><BR/>I love it when advocates of embryonic stem cell research claim embryonic stem cells can turn into more than 220 cell types when this has only been done when scientists inject embryonic stem cells into rodent embryos and the embryonic development of the embryos spurs the injected embryonic stem cells into changing into the various cell types. It's not like they been able to create all 220-plus cell types in-vitro. <BR/><BR/>The best quote though is - "The only catch is that this research has been done solely on mice, and scientists are not quite sure the technique can work on humans." Unfortunately, Rachel doesn't recognize that sword cuts both ways since embryonic stem cells haven't worked at all in humans and scientists aren't sure they will.Jivin Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06437784306957426634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-48550263819759737902007-06-19T00:49:00.000-07:002007-06-19T00:49:00.000-07:00Excellent post – here are few additional thoughts....Excellent post – here are few additional thoughts.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately the writer commits a common logical blunder by concluding the inevitable on the basis of what is hoped for. She asserts that cures via ESC are a done deal (following the application of tax dollars) – the proof is that some scientists speculate this is a possible outcome. Usually the clinical observation provides the necessary evidence to conclude a successful outcome.<BR/><BR/>However, this is apparently not necessary because <I>embryonic stem cells have already been proven effective ... </I>. Where, when and by whom? Please show one therapeutic treatment-using ESC that has been shown to effectively treat any disease. There are none. Zero. We're back to assuming the conclusion.<BR/><BR/>Wagner's arguments are weak, which apparently enticed her to enlist the help of emotive and fallacious arguments. In doing so she unjustly accuses the pro-life community and exploits the compassion of society and hopes of the sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1442827238174603755.post-84260799035750716012007-06-18T17:03:00.000-07:002007-06-18T17:03:00.000-07:00Jay,Did anyone else get this erie feeling of being...Jay,<BR/>Did anyone else get this erie feeling of being back in 1940's Germany in a concentration camp?<BR/>Rachel writes:<BR/><BR/> "How, then, is it more pro-life to save an embryo that will ultimately be thrown away than to use that embryo to improve and save lives? It's counterintuitive to protect something that will never have a fully developed life over a person who already has a life but suffers from a permanent, debilitating disease.".<BR/>Let me take a little license here:<BR/><BR/>Me: How, then, is it more pro-life to save a Jew that will ultimately be thrown away than to use that Jew to improve and save lives of Germans?<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Ms. Wagner would feel it absurd to argue that there is no moral wrong in exploiting the bodies of the Jews because they were A) deemed non- persons by the state and B) they were going to be killed anyway. So lets get what we need from them for the greater good of the state.<BR/><BR/>I'd think she would agree that this is absurd, yet, this is what she, and her ilk are suggesting we do.....exploit the weak for a supposed "greater good" that frankly, seems to be based on little more than proof by assertion.<BR/><BR/>As a medical professional myself, I too have seen the suffering, but our emtional reaction to pictures of Michael J. Fox shaking and struggling to speak should not then translate into an immoral action.<BR/><BR/>That is ALWAYS wrong. Lori V.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com